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winter wheels - no tpms

18K views 55 replies 11 participants last post by  Caladan  
#1 ·
So I may consider swapping the wheels over shortly, as I have no TPMS sensors in the wheels what am I going to see in the car,

warnings every day for a period
just the first time I run with them
constant warnings as I drive ?

I see in the manual two lines talking about this and I interpret as the first option

I will buy some tpms sensors when i get round to it.
 
#2 ·
Is it no way to turn off that function in the system menu?

I don't have TPMS, so when I swapped to winter wheels yesterday - no problems
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+3 celsius outside this morning, and it is supposed to be below zero in the mornings in the coming days, so timing seems good. Very little road noise from the Nokian Hakka R as well, so it was a comfy ride to work today
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#3 ·
It is still stupidly warm here e.g for london it shows a peak of 20 degrees but i anticipate a sharp drop soon.
 
#4 ·
You just get an empty display after startup that goes away, not a problem.
 
#5 ·
Cheers, looking for the best deal on sensors as we speak
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Who else is considering swapping over ?
 
#9 ·
I'm after some tpms as well - never had them before but now like the security of knowing all four tyres are ok. I remember reading a thread from last year about buying them out in the US?

Thinking of going for the Goodyear Ultra Grips.
 
#10 ·
I'm after some tpms as well - never had them before but now like the security of knowing all four tyres are ok. I remember reading a thread from last year about buying them out in the US?
The I-Sensor ones come from a UK company, the German seller is the cheapest I found that sends them preprogrammed the only cheaper way I found was to become a reseller and invest in the programmer and then we would all have to comit to a bulk purchase to make it work so as the German seller was about half the price if the factory TPMS I went that route.
 
#11 ·
Spoke to my tyre guy who said no problem to fit the sensors, think I'm going with the recommendation from Loz.

Roytour, are you going to get some as well?
 
#12 ·
I'm ordering as well for my winters
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#13 ·
Probie yes I am looking at ordering some when are we ripping your car apart ?
 
#14 ·
Bought my I-sensors from tpms warehouse, a uk reseller. ÂŁ279. Doubtless the German sourced ones may be cheaper but im happy enough. Supplied programmed to the treg, delivered direct to my fitters within 48 hours, good. Fitted with my new pirelli N1 ice+snows by a Tyre Leader listed fitter.

The fitters suggested they may need to reprogramme the ECU, for an additional cost. Don't do this!

When I collected the car they said they couldn't program the ECU and referred me to a vw dealer. Don't do this!

Tpms warehouse site says they can clone your sensors. I spoke with them, to clone your summer wheel tpms they need your original ones. Don't do this!

Neither my tyre fitters, nor tpms warehouse appear to know that the treg is intelligent enough to sort itself out!
The supplied sensors, programmed for my vehicle type, are simply being read by the treg. No error messages and adjusting when being inflated and as the tyres warm/cool.

Now, if only it would turn a bit chillier, as I feel I've visited the pit lane a few laps early!
Happy with my winter tyre choice from a noise/dry perspective. Doubtless the mildest winter ever beckons.
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#16 ·
My winters are 18's and I'll be fitting 255/55

I'm going with the Ultra Grips because of their good rating in the wet but I am tempted by the Vreds.
 
#18 ·
Given we have a lot more rain than snow/ice I would not hesitate to the get the Ultra Grips. I have the Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds because I bought with the rims - wet grip rating is not good, but they are very quiet for a winter tyre. Pirellis and Contis have good winter wet grip ratings aswell. I personally look for a tyre with a rim protector too. Good luck.

Caladan
 
#17 ·
I use the Vredesteins on all our cars but the design is now several years old. Go with something newer.
 
#19 ·
Couldn't resist winter wheels fitted 36 minutes including cleaning my hands
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Waiting to order TPMS so will be getting the trolley jack out again
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Not driven it yet as its raining and dammed if getting it dirty for a test drive - yes what a ponce.
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#24 · (Edited by Moderator)
Liking my 18 inch alutec winters more than my summer rims
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#25 ·
Nice
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#26 · (Edited by Moderator)
The Tyre Pressure warning came on at -0.1 Bar on 3 wheels recently, which I assume was due to recent temperature drop.
Inflated the tyres to correct pressures, but warning stays on

I decided to look for winter tyres [275/45 R20 110V] and searched the web for the best deal.
Main contender was the Pirelli Scorpion ICE + SNOW [Fuel Rate `C'; Wet Grip `B'; Noise 72dB]
PROTYRE - ÂŁ262.37 fitted
TYRELEADER - ÂŁ220.89 Delivery Only
MYTYRES - ÂŁ259.60 Delivery Only
OPONEO - ÂŁ221.00 Delivery Only
SELECTA TYRE - ÂŁ265.58 Fitted

SELECTA have offered me them at ÂŁ234.50 Fitted, Nitro Filled and Tyre Storage for the summer tyres
However, they now offer me the Vredestein Wintrac 4 Extreme at ÂŁ211.00 [Fuel Rate `C'; Wet Grip `E'; Noise 71dB]
I see in other forums that owners go for the Vredestein, but has anyone got experience of the Pirellis?

Pirelli Scorpion
Vredenstein Wintrac
 
#27 ·
You run the very real risk of damaging both wheels and tyres if you keep swapping them by removing summers, fitting winters, removing winters, fitting summers, etcetera etcetera, plus the cost each time.

For another hundred quid at the outset you can have a brand new set of 18 inch wheels and winter tyres from Tyremen, Hull.
 
#28 ·
Totally agree with the "NoobyT" to just have second set of wheels is a doddle to swap over ( with right basic kit) you saw from the post above just over thirty mins - versus going to the tyre fitters risking alloy damage on tyre swaps additionally how many times can a tyre be swapped I dont know, Probie had a wheel damaged on tyre replacement so its not something I would entertain.
 
#31 ·
Fitting winter wheels won't invalidate your warranty, but if you have no storage space then a second set of wheels is not a practical proposition.
 
#32 · (Edited by Moderator)
My winters are staying put in the garage/storage until the weather drops consistently below 7C. The longer term weather forecast doesn't seem to indicate really bad weather until after the New Year
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#33 · (Edited by Moderator)
My thinking too. Worrying, that!
 
#34 ·
We did have a short periode of cold weather here (just below freezing), but it only lasted for a few days. After that it has been rather mild and very wet.

The weather forecast do indicate another cold periode starting at the beginning of next week, but as Cass says - the long time forecast still indicates mild weather till the end of this year.

So changing to winters have probabely been a bit too early, and on the mildest days I do try to drive "slow and easy" with as little strain on the tires as possible. The temperatures vary between +3 and +10, so it's not that bad, but summers would have been good so far - unless you take a trip up in the mountains, which I do not have any current plans of doing.
 
#35 · (Edited by Moderator)
You're correct that we're having unseasonable weather conditions, but it all depends on where you live and if you take into consideration the wind chill factor
The southerly winds are responsible for the mild weather - Earth Wind Map
However, towards the end of the month, there will be a change, again dependant on your location - Weather Outlook
In my location, in two weeks time, the wind chill model shows that we'll be down to 0°C [unless the model was done by Michael Fish]
I travel in the High Peak [both White & Dark], so I don't consider it TOO early to change
 
#37 ·
I changed about a month ago (Alutec wheels and Vreds from Tyremen, they have been great) as I was going fishing up in the hills and expected to find myself down some pretty ropey tracks and just left them on. Since then it's regularly been below 10 deg (-3 this morning!) in Aboyne.

One guy I spoke to in Elgin last year, who has his own tyre centre and is a Black Circles fitter, runs his pickup on Vredstein Wintrac Extremes all year around and doesn't seem to suffer abnormal wear (I guess it wouldn't matter too much if you had your own tyre business but he didn't seem the frivolous type to me).

I think that once it gets below 10 deg, even a couple of times a week, it pays to be on the winters as you never know when you are going to need those sipes
 
#36 ·
Arne is in Norway.
 
#38 ·
[quote name='Andy in Lossie' timestamp='1415711929' post='327505']
I changed about a month ago (Alutec wheels and Vreds from Tyremen, they have been great) as I was going fishing up in the hills and expected to find myself down some pretty ropey tracks and just left them on. Since then it's regularly been below 10 deg (-3 this morning!) in Aboyne.

One guy I spoke to in Elgin last year, who has his own tyre centre and is a Black Circles fitter, runs his pickup on Vredstein Wintrac Extremes all year around and doesn't seem to suffer abnormal wear (I guess it wouldn't matter too much if you had your own tyre business but he didn't seem the frivolous type to me).

I think that once it gets below 10 deg, even a couple of times a week, it pays to be on the winters as you never know when you are going to need those sipesIs there sucha a thing as frivolous people in Scotland ?
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#40 ·
The Tyre Pressure warning came on at -0.1 Bar on 3 wheels recently, which I assume was due to recent temperature drop.
Inflated the tyres to correct pressures, but warning stays on
The handbook says it will go off on it's own - but it doesn't
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Does it have to be reset at a dealer?
 
#41 ·
When I had a flat I had the warning, repaired the tyre pumped it up and the car was happy again i did not have to reset anything.
 
#44 ·
That's a good photo for the wheel size gallery ( that no one is contributing to,)
 
#56 · (Edited by Moderator)
OK so Pikes on (swapped fronts for rears, although only on the shoulder was there much difference in wear) and Karakums cleaned and in the garage (Dunlop 3Ds seem to be wearing well). Car washed, Millers added, summer washer fluid added, battery on Ctek charge overnight. Easter here we come. Expect snow any day now...

Locking wheel nut key did not crack this time which sped things up a bit. Inflated to 35/42...and that is exactly what the TPMS said. Impressed with its accuracy.

Caladan