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One further thought- I have an aftermarket warranty. Is there any risk that might be voided using Millers if there is an engine related claim? Thanks
 

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Just buy good quality diesel which means from Shell, Esso, BP or Texaco.

You don't need any additives.
 

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Just buy good quality diesel which means from Shell, Esso, BP or Texaco.

You don't need any additives.
Supermarket fuel has all the additives/cleaners required by EN standards - the base diesel for all brands is the same, and stored in the same storage tanks at regional/local distribution depots.
 

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Here we go again!!
 
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Sorry to have reignited it then! I’m minded to go the premium diesel route. However I have 500ml of unopened Millers Ecomax in the garage left over from the Landcruiser. That will do 5 tankfulls on the Treg. That’s quite a few thousand miles So my thinking was to use that up and then switch to Esso premium( nearest to home) or BP after that. No Shell for miles and miles. Just a wee bit concerned doing that might compromise the aftermarket warranty- which has another 2.5 years to run. Any thoughts- although I suspect the play safe option is to just leave the Millers in the garage or use it on the campervan ( 2004 Merc 2.7tdi) ? Thanks
 

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VW recommends diesel additives in some markets as I understand ... what do they say in the Uk ?
 

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VW recommends diesel additives in some markets as I understand ... what do they say in the Uk ?
They don't say - European diesel has strict minimum standards and extra additives are unneccessary - despite that I use Millers EcoMax from time to time.
 

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Nothing specific about additives in the Warranty small print but , looking at it as a lawyer, I suspect there is enough wriggle room there generally in relation to adherence to manufacturer recommendations for Insurers to take the point if they wanted to. So have decided to play safe warranty wise by using BP Ultimate instead as I don’t do a huge mileage; and using the Millers in the campervan merc 2.7cdi which is long long out of warranty! Thanks and sorry to have stirred up a bit
of a hornets nest!
 

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You've not stirred up anything!

No one is going to spot a few mls of additive in an 85 litre tank of fuel anyway!!
 

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I spoke to an injector specialist recently about the injector problems on the V6 TDI. He said never to use injector cleaner as it lifts deposits in the fuel tank, sends them down the lines and whatever the filter doesn't catch ends up wearing the injectors. I'd used it before now thinking I was doing the engine a favour. He also said to avoid supermarket fuel at all costs. He sells around 70 Bosch Piezo injectors (for the V6 TDI) alone per week, so I'll take his word for it!
 

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Yes, supermarket fuel is very bad stuff.
 

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Yes, supermarket fuel is very bad stuff.
How do you know that ? Do you know where it comes from, how its refined and distributed and what additive packages are used ??? To many confident statements based on limited data and limited understanding on the Web IMHO.

The greatest risk with supermarket fuel will be lower cost and less effective additive packages which suggests an after market additive package is worthwhile which is also dismissed. However all fuel in the UK still needs to comply to the Eu standards that the Treg was defined for I believe

The are many additive bottles you can buy for diesel fuel , which ones are good and which ones a waste of money and which ones actually harmful is hard to tell. However I dont think you could condemn them all ?

Don't know all the answers just asking questions.
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There’s no doubt that all fuel meets EU standards and premium fuel has extra additives which are added at delivery to justify the price increase as well as performance and engine/fuel system cleaning advantages.

Personally, I always use premium fuel and have exclusively put it in my Touareg and even in my motorhome since new.

Some owners will fill up at supermarkets/similar and not give a thought to anything other than the cost. I’m happy that that I’ve never suffered any engine/fuel related issues in decades and approx 300k miles travel since I’ve used premium fuel and no doubt many of today’s common problems issues could be attributed to the type and quality of fuel used.

For me, cost is still the most significant factor and only once have I baulked at the price difference when a local Shell service station just off the A1 was asking 20p/litre more, so I drive straight out and looked elsewhere. On average I pay up to 8p/litre more for premium but this is offset by loyalty points and discounted fuel account cards which knock 5-8p/litre off the pump prices.

You pays your money etc - and as I have no vices worth mention, I’m happy to pay for the premium stuff but I have no truck with those who won’t 🤷‍♂️
 

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I knew someone would take the bait on this hoary old subject that's been done to death a number of times over the years!

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For me, cost is still the most significant factor and only once have I baulked at the price difference when a local Shell service station just off the A1 was asking 20p/litre more, so I drive straight out and looked elsewhere. On average I pay up to 8p/litre more for premium but this is offset by loyalty points and discounted fuel account cards which knock 5-8p/litre off the pump prices.
The difference can be incredible, even across the same brand. Esso's 99 RON in my closest garage is usually about 8-9p more per litre which, with a discounted fuel card, typically makes it cost about the same as the local Sainsburys, give or take a penny or two. I made the mistake of filling up at an Esso in Portsmouth a couple of months ago and the difference was 17p a litre for the same stuff. I guess it's a supply and demand thing?
 
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I’d wager that fuel prices in the south have certainly increased in the past few weeks due to the claimed fuel shortage and the subsequent media hysteria 🤔
 

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Not hysteria in this instance. We're still short of fuel and don't say it's still down to panic buying. If that were true, where the fuck are they keeping it!
I noticed the number of passengers on my computer train into London increase significantly after the first weekend of shortages (which admittedly was at that time compounded by panic buying). Those that had either always driven into town or had switched to their cars during the lockdowns and continued to drive since, clearly couldn't get fuel so started taking the train. First Monday of the shortages, my train was heaving and it still is. Previous week I still had a double seat to myself, as did everyone else on the train.
There's still a game of chase the tanker going on here, with only one or 2 stations in the area with stock at any one time.

Luckily I'd filled up the week before this hit the headlines (which was basically reporting the leaked BP memo) and even then the main Shell garage I went to had no unleaded, regular or V power. And only had Vpower diesel. This shit was brewing well before the press reported it. Typical government response - Blame the press. Blame the public for panic buying. Refuse to accept responsibility for their own failings (apologies if that last bit is too political. I name no names :rolleyes:)
 

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If someone hadn't leaked that BP had closed 5 filling stations I suspect no one would have twigged the distribution chain was at full stretch.

As for there being no turkeys on the table this Christmas, thank goodness for that - rib of beef and Yorkshire pudding followed by apple pie and custard!
 
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