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Brian from Nottingham [previous owner of 2010 Altitude, 2012 SE, 2015 R-Line] has very kindly taken the trouble to shine a light - literally as it was attached to a mirrror - on the coolant fan wattage this morning.

He has just taken delivery of a new Generation 3 [T5 in our terms] 2020 R-Line with a factory fitted swivelling towbar and he has confirmed that the Bosch coolant fan is 850 watts and has an Audi badge.

I have a strong feeling that we are back in the 600 watt no factory towbar/850 watt factory towbar scenario once more.

Someone with a new T5 that has no towbar needs to do a Brian please and report back with findings!
Looks like the same mess as with T4s. Suggest the OP contacts VW customer service direct, we know the dealers are useless when it comes to Touaregs, and gets a definitive answer from them which can be shared on the forum.

Think we all know what it'll be though, a very expensive upgrade required to overcome VW penny pinching.
 

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Thank you Nooby and Brian!
I apologise but I stopped trying to find out any more info as I've just reserved a "T5" R-line Tech with literally every option box ticked, Air suspension, 4 wheel steering... etc .. and of course a factory fitted towbar! It came up in my budget - it pays to have patience it seems

Will post pics once it's a done deal..
 

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Glad you are sorted!

We still need a no towbar T5 owner to tell us what wattage their coolant fan is . . .
 

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Thanks Nooby

I've spoken to a VW service centre today and they gave me a price of (wait for it!) £3600, which they claim includes a cooling fan upgrade.
However I've spoken with a dealer who told me he'd checked with his service centre and they said no fan upgrade needed and they could fit one for £1500. Obviously if no fan were needed I could go to someone like Professional Retrofits and get one for less than a grand. I called Retrofits also this afternoon and they came back with the statement that many don't have the fan upgraded, they wouldn't do that work but I may wish to have one fit.

It's really a mixed message and I wonder if a lot of people are erring on the side of caution following the issues with the T3/4 not being fitted with the correct fans in the factory. Therefore by default are stating the gen 3 need one??

I was originally only looking for an example with a factory tow bar. Since that limits my options, I started looking at examples without and reto-fitting one.
There's a used approved available at the moment which isnt listed as having a towbar but from the pics clearly has an after market bar fit.
I spoke to a sales guy about it today and he's confirmed it has one and since there's no comment about it from the initial inspection, their tech guys must be happy with it. When pressed he admitted that if it did need a fan upgrade and hasn't has one, any fault that could be attributed to it not having the upgraded fan, would not be covered under the warranty. I've asked him to do a bit more digging. Will let you know what he says..
If the salesman is offering to sell a car he believes needs a fan upgrade, then it's not fit for purpose and the selling dealership is liable for any repairs and remedial work, regardless of what he says about the warranty.

I see you have decided to buy elsewhere, so ring back this dealer and tell them why you bought from another dealer
 

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If the salesman is offering to sell a car he believes needs a fan upgrade, then it's not fit for purpose and the selling dealership is liable for any repairs and remedial work, regardless of what he says about the warranty.

I see you have decided to buy elsewhere, so ring back this dealer and tell them why you bought from another dealer
Needless to say, he didn't call me back today.. which seems par for the course when you start asking the right questions
 

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Brian from Nottingham [previous owner of 2010 Altitude, 2012 SE, 2015 R-Line] has very kindly taken the trouble to shine a light - literally as it was attached to a mirrror - on the coolant fan wattage this morning.

He has just taken delivery of a new Generation 3 [T5 in our terms] 2020 R-Line with a factory fitted swivelling towbar and he has confirmed that the Bosch coolant fan is 850 watts and has an Audi badge.

I have a strong feeling that we are back in the 600 watt no factory towbar/850 watt factory towbar scenario once more.

Someone with a new T5 that has no towbar needs to do a Brian please and report back with findings!
I've just been looking at mine and all I can easily see is the part number of the fan housing (pic below). Not sure if either 8W0121003D or 0130707411 denote the motors that are in the housing (double fan assembly) but I'd need to borrow a borescope from work to see the details on the motor it's self.
Coming from a Saab were I had a copy of the parts catalogue software on a Win XP machine, It's seriously frustrating to not be able to easily search part numbers ..

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I've just been looking at mine and all I can easily see is the part number of the fan housing (pic below). Not sure if either 8W0121003D or 0130707411 denote the motors that are in the housing (double fan assembly) but I'd need to borrow a borescope from work to see the details on the motor it's self.
Coming from a Saab were I had a copy of the parts catalogue software on a Win XP machine, It's seriously frustrating to not be able to easily search part numbers ..

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Have a look on the back off the cooling fan itself and see if there is a 'brose' sticker which states the fan wattage - ordinary is 600w and upgraded is 850w.

The image on post #16 on this thread shows the label and fan rating (600w in this example) and #108 (850w example):

https://www.mytreg.com/index.php?/topic/78514-towing-and-cooling-fan-replacement/
 

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From what I cam see on these pics, which are the best I can get with my phone, it looks like the part number is 3 137 232 008 and that appears to be a 600W motor. But I've gleaned that from spare parts listings

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I have a 600 watt fan from an Altitude that has only done 200 miles, probably never been running , £150.
Someone might need one.
 

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From what I cam see on these pics, which are the best I can get with my phone, it looks like the part number is 3 137 232 008 and that appears to be a 600W motor. But I've gleaned that from spare parts listings
I'd email your dealer (your purchase contract is with them) and also VW Customer Care to clarify that you have the correct cooling fan fitted with the factory towbar, just so you have something in writing for warranty/goodwill purposes should anything untoward happen whilst towing.

In post #20, Nooby referees to a T5 owner who has the 850w fan fitted to his car, so which is correct
 

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We've got a borescope at work I can borrow. I'll pick it up next week when I'm in the office and get a proper picture of it before I go chasing my tail with the dealer.
 

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If it's any help - I've owned from new a 2015 R Line with factory fit towbar and 600w fan. I regularly tow 3.5 ton box trailers with it for work. I've spend a considerable time communicating with VW head office so called ' technical' experts. Like politicians - they refuse to answer a direct question. I've been told to 'check the sticker in the drivers door for gross weight/train weight etc. They tell me that only the V8 Touaregs have an 800w fan (I thought the V8 was dropped on my model year and that the fan was an 850w). They refuse to discuss anything from the internet forums and deny that they have retro-fitted any misbuilt vehicles in the UK. I also tried to explain that many people have paid extra for a dealer specified 'uprated' fan when getting a towbar fitted - presumably wasting their money if not required?

Why did they not offer a limited recall for factory fitted towbar cars. ?

They will not discuss the matter further and have referred me to the motor ombudsman.

I wished them luck with the global brand re-building excercise after dieselgate

Anybody got any further than me?
 

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If it's any help - I've owned from new a 2015 R Line with factory fit towbar and 600w fan. I regularly tow 3.5 ton box trailers with it for work. I've spend a considerable time communicating with VW head office so called ' technical' experts. Like politicians - they refuse to answer a direct question. I've been told to 'check the sticker in the drivers door for gross weight/train weight etc. They tell me that only the V8 Touaregs have an 800w fan (I thought the V8 was dropped on my model year and that the fan was an 850w). They refuse to discuss anything from the internet forums and deny that they have retro-fitted any misbuilt vehicles in the UK. I also tried to explain that many people have paid extra for a dealer specified 'uprated' fan when getting a towbar fitted - presumably wasting their money if not required?

Why did they not offer a limited recall for factory fitted towbar cars. ?

They will not discuss the matter further and have referred me to the motor ombudsman.

I wished them luck with the global brand re-building excercise after dieselgate

Anybody got any further than me?
I got mine changed under warranty - but only at 3rd attempt as dealer initially only checked the build sheets and ignored my photos of the label on the fan itself.

The 850w fans are available on Ebay for Touareg and Cayenne - BUT - the picture looks wrong as my 600w fan had slim fan blades while the 850w fan eventually fitted has broad fan blades.
 

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Get a copy of the car's build sheets. Several pages of useful info every owner should get and keep safe.
 

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Thanks for that, I've asked them to confirm what the build sheet says is fitted to mine
In my case, the build sheet simply reflected what SHOULD have been fitted, not what was ACTUALLY fitted.
 

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My build sheet does show towbar (1M6) (towbar fitted/prepared codes are 1M0~8) However the data sticker in the service book doesn't show it ??

Tried to upload the XLS file but it says not permitted ??
 

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That's really interesting that it's a single fan. The T5 has a double fan, the fans are Bosch not Brose and there is no wattage listed on the fan I have visibility of, which is the larger 600w fan.
The Audi part I found when I searched the part number I found on the fan housing is common with a 2015 Q7 and Q8 amongst other models. It lists 1x 300w and 1x 600W fans for "radiator fan with control for trailer towing".
There are other fans and controllers listed for vehicles not prepared for towing. But no 850W fan.

I asked a few posts back Nooby - was your friend who checked his T5 sure he could see 850W printed on the fan motor?

From what I can see there is an upgraded fan for the T5 but not an 850w fan!

This is not the site I found when I searched part but shows the same information.

http://www.oemepc.com/audi/part_single/catalog/au/markt/RDW/modell/AQ7/year/2016/drive_standart/675/hg_ug/959/subcategory/959060/part_id/256888/lang/e
 
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