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My wife has 2007 Altitude v6 TDi which is great in all respects ... except that it is embarrasingly useless off-road in winter. Friends have Discos and Japanese things which are vastly better on mud/snow etc.

It has standard 19'' 275/45 wheels and tyres and i would like to buy a set of 18'' wheels. Problem is, i have given up trying to get an answer from VW as to whether 18'' wheels will fit around the brake calipers etc.

If i can fit some 18'' wheels with higher profile 255 width Grabber tyres (or thinner?), i think it should be vastly improved. I would keep the 19'' wheels and road tyres for summer use.

Fianally, if 18'' wheels are not possible on the Altitude, could anyone confirm whether you can buy Grabbers in 19'' 275/45 size - i was told not.

Apologies if this has already been discussed - i couldn't find any thread.

Please help!!!

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Welcome,

There are some on here running 255 width tires, but it's an unusual size, and removes 'protection' of tyre over hang for curbs.

275 seems to be an unusual size too from the main manufacturers, so a lot of us are running 285 45 19s in Hankook Ventus form

18" will fit your truck, as they're the standard for the Altitude, AFAIK, brakes should be no different to those fitted with 17" wheels too.

I'm surprised that you find the Treg useless in winter and offroad, so many here have had the privilege of an offroad day and have seen what the car is capable of - but tyres are a big factor. Grabbers are used by the Touareg Unlimited team so many here have adopted them for all year use.

This is a good rough guide to changes of tyre size and the effects:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Treg with Grabbers: (about the 6th car that's gone up, so a little muddy and road tyres)
 

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discovery 3/4 and range rovers run on 19 and 20" rims and they manage ok off road!! you can buy tyres in 19" for the treg with heavier tread patterns if you like.

to be honest off road driving is an art and alot of it is up to the driver not the car.
 

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Thanks for that Hipflyguy. I like the video. Showing my ignorance, but what is AFAIK?

The situation wasn't helped last winter by the fact that our Treg was on 1/2 worn standard 275 width continentals which don't seem to have a hint of off-road tread about them. The car (more of a 2.5 tonne sledge actually) was positively dangerous in the snow and was abandoned in our field for 2 weeks as my Audi quattro was so much better!

I figured that fitting 18'' rims over winter with some proper (narrower) offroad tyres would make the biggest difference. You say 18'' are standard on the Altitude? - i am sure ours came as standard with 19''. As long as the brakes are the same as standard Tregs, as you say, 18'' should fit fine. It was my dreaded VW dealer who said they might not fit over the brakes.

Do you know if grabbers/hankooks are much noisier on-road? That was my other reason for getting a winter set of 18'' - so the car is not compromised in terms of noise/grip all year round. I only go off road in winter (shooting season!).

However, If grabbers/hankooks are not too noisy, i might try them on my 19'' wheels first as a cheaper option. Do you know if you can you get 275 or 285 width 19'' grabbers? - a tyre dealer told me they may produce them later this year.

Last question - would 18'' wheels go straight on or are there issues with offset etc - It all seems very complicated to me!!!

Sorry for all the questions - thanks for your help.

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before i bought the Treg i used to run my discovery on grabber A/T 2's all the time. they are a superb all round tyre especially if you do some off road stuff.

they are quiet, hard wearing, great grip and excellent value for money. the best thing is that they come in standard size which is 255x55x18, which is treg size!!!

you could buy a set of 18" rims and fit with A/T's and just leave them on all year round if you wanted.
 

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Grabber UHP's are very quiet and also capable off road.
Most of the Touareg Unlimited cars were fitted with them,that's why so many forum members have them.
 

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I figured that fitting 18'' rims over winter with some proper (narrower) offroad tyres would make the biggest difference. You say 18'' are standard on the Altitude? - i am sure ours came as standard with 19''.
Yep, 19" wheels standard on the T2 Altitude - at least on the 2009 variant.

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Thank you all for your help.

I will start scanning ebay for some winter 18'' wheels. I presume all TReg 18'' wheels have the same stud/bolt pattern?

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i usually go to one of my local garages as my mate is the owner and does me good deals, but you could try shopping around with local garages or as stated camskill or black circles is another good online company.

event tyres dont venture into the northern end of gods county.

where you from jono?
 

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I will start scanning ebay for some winter 18'' wheels. I presume all TReg 18'' wheels have the same stud/bolt pattern?
AFAIK you will need to check - I'm sure the 2.5 model PCD differs from the 3.0 variant.

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Cheers for that - i'll try Black Circles. A mate also mentioned Micheldever tyres in Hampshire - or somewhere like that. Seems a long way away to me but apparently they are v. cheap even with the delivery costs.

Near Ripley/Hampsthwaite, north of Harrogate, Stu.
 

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i travel to harrogate every day for work, so i know where you are!!
 

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From past experience looking for a set of wheels, and from questions others have asked about fitment of various sets of wheels for sale, I think you will find there are far more 2.5 Tdi wheels around which only fit that car which has VW Transporter hubs from the parts bin so you will need to check you get the right wheels for your 3.0. If you ask "What car did the wheels come off?" and the seller tells you it was a 2.5, they will not fit your car.

It was me driving in that clip - I just didn't give it quite enough welly the first time! But the car's performance during the day on Grabber UHPs in thick mud, ruts, and so on, converted me to them. They are quieter and more comfortable too than the Contis they replaced though I have a little more sidewall than some as I'm on 255/60/17's. Two neighbouring farmers have General Grabber AT2 fitted but I go everywhere they do - and more - and the VW demo team had only one Treg fitted out with the AT2s - their winch car which was needed once [but not by me!].

During the snow, you still have to be sensible: 2.5 tonnes on black ice still obeys the laws of physics regardless of what tyres are on it - but we had well over a foot and the car went everywhere I wanted it too [but then so did a little Suzuki Swift on Vredestein winter tyres!!].

If you have snow and ice to contend with on a regular basis, then I would recommend a proper winter tyre such as the Vredestain. These are different to "mud and snow tyres" as they have more silicone in them so they remain flexible at much lower temperatures and they also have lots of sipes to give better grip in icey conditions. Fom what I'm reading in your posts, I think I'd go this route personally. We don't have enough snowfall to warrant what I had originally intended - a spare set of wheel with Vreedesteins - which is why I went the Grabber UHP route.

As for tyre suppliers - Micheldever used to get good write-ups and offer excellent prices [Honest John, Daily Telegraph]. This has not been my experience lately and I'm a firm fan of event-tyres.co.uk [and so too is Honest John now] - and not just because I'm almost next door to one of their depots as they only do fittings at your home or business so I've never been in their yard!

I found a good supplier of Vredesteins in Hull [probably where the ferry lands the tyre trailers!] so give them a whirl too if you want:

http://www.tyremen.co.uk/vredestein_tyres.html

Anyway, hope this helps.
 

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Thanks for that Nooby - very helpful.

As you say, last winter was the first proper snow we have had for ages, so i am not sure snow tyres are warranted - unless this is the start of global cooling! Normally it is muddy hills that it has to contend with, where the Continentals are equally hopeless in my experience!

As the Treg has now chewed its way through another set of Continentals in very short order (ouch) and urgently needs another set, i think for now i will go for Grabber UHPs on the standard wheels like you and see how i get on. I thought they would be much noisier than the Contis but it seems not. I found a review which rates them highly in most respects -apart from on snow! http://www.tyretest.com/4x4_reifen/general/grabber_uhp/index.html

I've checked on the web and they seem to be available in 275/19/45 - the tyre dealer i spoke to must have been talking rubbish. Hipflyguy also mentioned 285/19/45 as an option, which i like the sound of as it should give a bit more sidewall protection against my wife's parking!! I take it these will fit on the same wheels? Will the extra width make it noticeably worse off road (in mud)? I think this would also make the speedo slightly slow as the overall diameter increases slightly, but i don't see this as a big problem.

Sorry for all the questions - again!
 

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I've checked on the web and they seem to be available in 275/19/45 - the tyre dealer i spoke to must have been talking rubbish. Hipflyguy also mentioned 285/19/45 as an option, which i like the sound of as it should give a bit more sidewall protection against my wife's parking!! I take it these will fit on the same wheels? Will the extra width make it noticeably worse off road (in mud)? I think this would also make the speedo slightly slow as the overall diameter increases slightly, but i don't see this as a big problem.
For interest:
Originally had Michelin Diamaris - lasted 8k miles, then Pirelli Pzero's lasted 7k miles (scrubbing at 3) - all on 275x45x19

Now on Hankook Ventus RH06 at the slightly larger 285x45x19 - and using the miata tyre calc from my first post (originally a nooby find - my hero) it works out to being 1.2% too slow = at 60mph we're actually doing 60.7mph (speedo's off according to the sat nav anyway)

And the 285's really do help protect the rims.

Good luck chief - as you can see, this place is an amazing mine of information, opinion and personality.
 

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Thanks Hipflyguy.

Yes the tyre wear is shocking isn't it. I get at least 20k out of most cars' tyres and only 10k from the TReg. Our's wears the outside of all 4 tyres more than the inside - do you find that?

Hankooks are another option and a mate of mine with a Range Rover also rates Pirelli Scorpions. Two reasons i am thinking of Grabbers are:

a) they are relatively cheap (i am a tight Yorkshireman!)
Reviews on this forum seem to suggest they last longer than most.

Do you go off road in winter and if so, do you reckon the 285 width reduces grip compared to 275? It's b....y wide for an off roader - Range Rovers /Discos are all 255 i think.

Quite agree - this site is great!

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i think the difference between 275 and 285 is negligible as in my opinion they are both too wide for any real off roading and too low a profile!! Tregs and Rangies Discos etc are fitted with these large wheels and tyres as bling things and are expected to stay on the road really and have as much off road ability as most would expect, but will still spin up on wet grass on the flat if not carfull!!

obviously a norrower tyre is better for going through mud and crap as has less resistance, a higher profile is also better for ground clearance if nothing else.

i think you need to decide exactly what the car will be doing and how much of it. just a question, but did you have any difficulties at all on the road during the winter in and around Harrogate?

just so that there is no confusion for me as well as others, you mentioned speedo readings. i was under the impression that it was profile eg height of the tyre that changed the rolling radius and not width. as long as you keep the tyre at the original rolling radius your speedo will be ok. so if you have a low profile 19" you could swap to a higher profile 17/18" and have the same overall size. or am i totally misunderstanding what has been said?
 
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